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Post by osbornetorun1 on Mar 1, 2006 16:57:11 GMT -5
I think each club should have the rights to every player in his minor league system as of the date when the league started. He also gains the rights to all players drafted in the future by his franchise (i.e. whoever the Cardinals draft in June 2006 would become part of my team). If you trade with another GM for a minor league player, then that player is treated as a member of your system going forward.
For the minor league draft, we do 6-round draft picking players from the 18 contracted teams minor league systems. Those players then become part of our teams the same as if we'd traded for them or they were drafted by our MLB team directly.
In the future we can do a limited minor league draft from the 18 contracted teams (1 round, 2 rounds, whatever you all want). This gives another method to restock our systems in the future.
Hope this makes sense. It surely would make the management and oversight of the league less complex - that's a very good thing as we go down 1-2-3 years later....
-Todd (CardinalsGM)
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 16:59:55 GMT -5
Ok...................here it is.
1. Each team will be in charge of their own franchise minor league system.
2. Each team will designate a "20 Man Taxi Squad". Basically, each team will select 20 guys in their franchise's minor league system as their keepers. (Basically, you are in charge of your minor league system. The "Taxi Squad" is a protected list of guys. I.E. if someone is traded in real life and that player is on your list, you would still have his rights, but if not then you would lose his rights to whatever team he was traded to) 2a. You do not have to protect players that were drafted in the prior June MLB draft.
3. Any player not on the 20 Man Taxi Squad is subject to be picked by another team; if you choose not to let that player go, then you must allocate him to your Taxi Squad. You may have to open up a spot for him to be released. (note: there will be a deadline ala the trade deadline for putting a claim on another team's un-protected minor league players) 3a. If After a player is released from the Taxi Squad to protect another player, that released player cannot be placed back onto the Taxi Squad for a minimum of 10 days. Once 15 days has expired, then the player may be put back onto the Squad - into an open spot or by releasing another player from it. 3b. Once a player is put onto the Taxi Squad (i.e. to be protected from another team claiming him), he must stay on the Taxi Squad for a minimum of 5 days. 3c. If a player is claimed by another team (not protected by original team), then the new owner must put that person on his "Taxi Squad". If at some point during the season, in which he was claimed, the player claimed - is dropped from the team's Taxi Squad, then the player will return to the original team. And that team that released him may not put another claim on that player for that current year.
4. If a player that is not on your 20 Man Taxi Squad - is traded, then you lose the rights to that player to the team obtaining him in the real-life trade. (this is to eliminate the headache of keeping track of every little trade that goes on; as I don't have time for it)
5. We will have a 6 round minor league draft of the remaining 18 teams not chosen in this league. There will then be a 1 round draft for each following year, with the draft order being in reverse order of the team standing from the previous year. 5a. On the drafting of other teams' minor league players. You may not draft a player that was "drafted" in the previous June MLB draft.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 17:47:23 GMT -5
In my eyes, this piece is getting a bit complicated... I'm hoping that Haggs is saying similar things to what I said previously...
1.) If we have full ownership of our entire minor league system, why have the "taxi squad" of keepers?
Do you mean that these are the 20 guys that cannot be picked up by other teams, except via trade? If true, then anyone else from our team's minor league system COULD be added to another owner's taxi-squad, but ONLY after a request is made to that player's owner?
At that point, the player's owner has the option to add the player to his taxi squad or lose the player for no compensation... The player's new owner must keep that player on his taxi squad, or else the player simply goes back to being a non- taxi squad player in his "real life" team's system (i.e., the original owner).
2.) If someone from your taxi squad is traded in real life, it doesn't matter because he is a named, protected keeper.
3.) If a non- taxi squad player from your organization is traded in real life (e.g., if fantasygeek didn't have Alberto Callaspo on his taxi squad), the player's ownership goes to the new team (regardless of whether that franchise is owned in our league or not).
*I guess I'm fine with the "3-day" rule where you can choose to keep the player and have to make an announcement that you're keeping the guy. However, it is difficult enough to keep track of major league transactions, much less minor league transactions! Chances are, if someone outside of my 20 taxi guys was dealt that I wouldn't even notice...
4.) Prospects can be defined as having less than 200 At Bats or 50 Innings Pitched at the beginning of the current season. Once a prospect surpasses this threshold, he must be on your 30-man Major League roster in the following season or he will just be part of the Major League free agent pool and cannot be on the taxi squad. This is due, in part, to the fact that he will be part of the Yahoo database as a free agent.
Does this make any sense?
6.) I'm totally fine with all subsequent fantasy minor league drafts being 1 round and only include prospects from the 18 unowned teams.
7.) It makes sense that we would receive rights to all 2006 June Amateur Draft draftees. One issue I have is the whole Jered Weaver/Justin Upton type deal. Some of these guys don't even sign for the first several months. Under the above listed rules, we'd have to protect these more noteable prospects on our 20 man taxi squad or else another owner could request their rights. It would suck to have to protect a guy who isn't even signed yet or is in some short season league, while relinquishing rights to a fringe guy (taxi squad player #20). If we commit to only having to protect players after we've passed the 1-year point from their draft, it makes a bit more sense.
This entire 20-man taxi concept is very similar to purpose of the 40-man roster with the actual major league teams...
How do people feel about the overall picture I've painted above? It sounds fair to me...
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Post by osbornetorun1 on Mar 1, 2006 19:27:27 GMT -5
I was trying to make this much easier by avoiding the whole issue of taxi squads, minor league protected lists, etc. Some poor soul has to track and manage all this. I think it's more of a burden than anything else and doesn't really change how the league will work and how the game is played. Just food for thought....
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 19:41:11 GMT -5
But, we'll have to keep track of some subset of minor leaguers anyway because of trades. We can't have Howie Kendrick all of a sudden added to the Yahoo Database and some owner just adds him to their roster because he's a Yahoo Free Agent. The fact is, we'll need to track some portion of our minor league roster on this website anyway. By having the 30-man & 20-man, it gives it the look and feel of a Major League 40-man roster with a bit more players to protect some lower level minor leaguers acquired via trade.
The 20-man Minor League "keeper" roster was in Haggstown's rules for this league from the very beginning. As such, I don't think that point should be open for discussion. The true discussion is "what do we do with all the other minor leaguers in our team's system?" I think the solution outlined by Haggs and expanded upon by myself is a viable solution to this quandry. I don't anticipate that we'd be going crazy with our Minor League rosters on a daily / weekly basis anyway. When it gets down to it, we will be going crazy with our Major League squad trying to get those bastards to win!
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 20:29:35 GMT -5
Please re-read my post above of rules as I've updated them. Thoughts?
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Post by winker on Mar 1, 2006 21:22:37 GMT -5
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 21:26:38 GMT -5
Where did you get that. That's pretty cool.
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Post by osbornetorun1 on Mar 1, 2006 22:39:16 GMT -5
I think the RedSox GM who traded for Kendrick would let the owner who tried to kidnap him know about it in very short order
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 2, 2006 0:07:50 GMT -5
True dat, Osborne...
I totally agree with everything that Haggs has stated in his newly modified post... One last question though from me Haggs... It sounds like we would protect 20 guys before the draft. Then, we draft however many from our Minor League draft. Are we then responsible for whittling down our number to 20k, as was originally intended?
Again, I vote "YAY" to Haggs clearly defined rules for our minor leaguers.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 2, 2006 9:20:07 GMT -5
Since we are not drafting from each other's minor leagues, then we don't have to have the 20 Man Squad until after the minor league draft is done.
We are holding the draft form the other 18 teams not in the league. Then we will dwindle the keeper list to 20 and the rest will be part of the franchise system.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 2, 2006 13:50:26 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan, thanks Haggs.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 8, 2006 12:52:54 GMT -5
According to Rule 5a above, we will not need to protect players drafted in the 2005 draft until after the 2006 draft has occurred... Is this correct? As such, a guy like Craig Hansen will not need to be on my minor league protected list until this June?
If Hansen makes the Majors this year though, I can certainly put him on my 30-man Major League roster. But, once he's on my Major League roster, I cannot "option" him down to my Minor League squad at all?
Just trying to make sure...
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 8, 2006 14:00:30 GMT -5
Say Hansen breaks in with the Major League team. You then have to place him on your Major League Roster. If you choose not to or don't want to clear up a space for him by waiving someone else, then he goes to the waiver wire.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 8, 2006 15:44:33 GMT -5
If that's true, then what do we do about those "shuttle players" that keep going up and down between the Majors and AAA during their first year of big league service?
According to what you're saying, it sounds like I'd have to put Hansen on my 30-man roster if he makes Boston's 25-man roster. I agree with this concept, in principal. But, let's say that he only makes it because Keith Foulke jacks up his shoulder. Foulke returns to action and Hansen is sent back to AAA. What do we do?
Sorry if this is nitpicky, but I'm just trying to help address scenarios that we'll face... I sort of like the idea that a "prospect" can only be protected on the Minor League roster until the point where he reaches 200 MLB At Bats (hitters) or 50-60 MLB Innings Pitched (pitchers). With such a short bench on our big league roster, this rule is pretty crucial.
Man, this can be complicated...
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 8, 2006 15:53:20 GMT -5
I have thought of this scenario a few times. I haven't came to any conclusion yet.
The obvious answer is if he was on the major league roster and then sent down, then you could put him on the minor league protected list. But if he comes back up, you would have to open a spot for him once again. Or you can simply just leave him on your major league roster once he makes the jump to the team.
Something to think about.
For now, I think we'll leave it like it is. We can alwasy talk about this later. But having a 20 man minor league keeper roster, that should be enough for the up and coming stars to be protected.
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