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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 13:07:46 GMT -5
On the "devil's advocate" side, I believe Haggs had mentioned the "protected 14" rule before several owners selected their teams.
The main reason that he set it up this way is that prospects are traded ALL the time. Let's say that I selected the Red Sox because I'm a huge Dustin Pedroia fan, but Pedroia is traded from the Red Sox in real life before ever making the major leagues? Then what?
The "protected 14" or 16 or 18 or whatever seems to be the most administratively simple option.
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Post by TheCanes05 on Mar 1, 2006 13:18:51 GMT -5
Just throwin out some idea's. I'll go for what ever everyone wants to do.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 13:22:32 GMT -5
Actually TFAZ, we didn't start discussing the minor league draft until easily after you had picked a team. Which was in the middle of the pack. If I do remember right, we had a discussion on whether or not we were going to do a minor league draft about when we were trying to fill out the last few spots in the league. Which by then, most teams had already chosen their teams.
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Post by fantasygeek on Mar 1, 2006 13:24:13 GMT -5
The main reason that he set it up this way is that prospects are traded ALL the time. Let's say that I selected the Red Sox because I'm a huge Dustin Pedroia fan, but Pedroia is traded from the Red Sox in real life before ever making the major leagues? Then what? The "protected 14" or 16 or 18 or whatever seems to be the most administratively simple option. This is true, but Pedroia could be traded even if he is 1 of your 14 protected players....then what? I think we need to make a rule about what will happen if 1 of our minor leaguers is traded before we go any further.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 13:29:04 GMT -5
This is a discussion that would suit everyone to chime in their 2 cents.
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Post by fantasygeek on Mar 1, 2006 13:56:10 GMT -5
Minor league prospects rise & fall all of the time. Therefore the protected list will be ever changing.
How about this....let's say I want a player from the Tribe that isn't protected, say Tony Sipp.
Since Sipp belongs in the Tribe's org, I'll go to Winker asking for the rights to Sipp. Winker then has a choice to drop 1 of his protected players & protect Sipp or give up his rights to Sipp.
Just a thought.
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Post by zemtech on Mar 1, 2006 13:57:41 GMT -5
We could still do a minor league draft, but do it as to where each team keeps all their own minor leaguers and have a draft from the other 18 teams only. We could still do a 6 round draft from the other 18 teams and have our minor league guys plus 6 from the other teams. Then each year we could do a 1 round minor league draft - doing a reverse order of how the teams finished. I like this idea. I have a deep minor league system and dont think I should lose guys because of it.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 14:08:49 GMT -5
How about this....let's say I want a player from the Tribe that isn't protected, say Tony Sipp. Since Sipp belongs in the Tribe's org, I'll go to Winker asking for the rights to Sipp. Winker then has a choice to drop 1 of his protected players & protect Sipp or give up his rights to Sipp. Just a thought. This idea may work, but say Winker has a ton of talent to protect and then in the upcoming draft the Tribe selects someone like Justin Upton or Ryan Zimmerman with their no. 1 pick. Then say someone comes along and wants to acquire him. That would be tough having to either give up his rights or protect someone so unproven yet, but with a high ceiling. Aint this just fun
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Post by winker on Mar 1, 2006 15:05:44 GMT -5
I'm ok with this.
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Post by TheCanes05 on Mar 1, 2006 15:14:33 GMT -5
Me Too
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 15:39:04 GMT -5
The main reason that he set it up this way is that prospects are traded ALL the time. Let's say that I selected the Red Sox because I'm a huge Dustin Pedroia fan, but Pedroia is traded from the Red Sox in real life before ever making the major leagues? Then what? The "protected 14" or 16 or 18 or whatever seems to be the most administratively simple option. This is true, but Pedroia could be traded even if he is 1 of your 14 protected players....then what? I think we need to make a rule about what will happen if 1 of our minor leaguers is traded before we go any further. Pedroia CAN easily be traded if he's one of our 14 players, but that doesn't matter in this case. If we continued down the path of the way this was laid out initially, our "ownership" of Pedroia would simply follow him to his new team, because he is protected. A more problematic example actually just happened today... DBacks prospect Jason Bulger was traded to the Angels for infield prospect Alberto Callaspo. So, since we started this process before the deal, does Callaspo belong to fantasygeek or is he available in the minor league draft as a DBack. In this case, I think we'd give fantasygeek the option to protect him. My preference is that we maintain ownership of our 20 minor leaguers, as was originally laid out... We can certainly add on fantasygeek's idea where I would retain the option to protect any "un-owned" Red Sox prospects if another owner inquires about a player in the lower levels of your organization. If "un-owned" and "unprotected" players get dealt in real life, they simply become members of that "owned" or "unowned" organization. Example: I probably don't intend on protecting pitching prospect Cla Meredith of the Red Sox. He's on their 40-man roster, but may not make the Opening Day team. Even though he's not on my 20-man "protected" list of minor leaguers, Cla Meredith is property of the Red Sox. Two scenarios arise: 1.) If Winker wants to add Cla Meredith to his 20-man "protected" list, he inquires about the player. At this point, I have the option to add Meredith to my protected list or I lose him to Winker. Alternatively, we could make it so Winker has to trade me for him. After such transaction occurs, Winker would have to keep the player on his 20-man protected group or Meredith would revert back to being Red Sox property (as he is in real life). 2.) If Cla Meredith is part of a "real life" trade, he becomes a part of his new organization UNLESS I add him to my 20-man protected list. I think this overall scenario is great... Generally speaking, we (as owners) would let our 20-man rosters be the one-stop guide to any Minor League player transaction. This entire process I've outlined is VERY similar to the way that actual baseball teams manage their 40-man rosters.
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Post by fantasygeek on Mar 1, 2006 15:42:15 GMT -5
I know an attorney that could publish our rules in legal document form. He only charges $135/hour.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 15:46:02 GMT -5
I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
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Post by winker on Mar 1, 2006 16:11:49 GMT -5
How often does Holiday Inn Express change their sheets?
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 16:14:51 GMT -5
About as often as you and I change our underwear.
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Post by zemtech on Mar 1, 2006 16:56:42 GMT -5
About as often as you and I change our underwear. Once A week
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