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Post by fantasygeek on Mar 1, 2006 9:07:31 GMT -5
Do we have the rights to all of the players in our team's minor league system or do we protect a certain number?
I think that we should get all of the players in our minor league system, since many of us own the rights to teams that we don't follow. We are then going off of lists by sports writers whos opinions may not be better than Joe 6-pack.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 9:13:35 GMT -5
That is something to consider. The minor league draft isn't up for a while, so it's something we can easily discuss...........
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Post by ray8181 on Mar 1, 2006 9:34:16 GMT -5
I personally think we should have like a 10 round minor league draft. Noone has the rights to anyone player untill they are drafted. I think it should apply to player not on a 25 Major League roster. No drafting of a player in the Major League Draft that isnt on a 25 man roster.
Or we can make it to where we only protect 5 guys and then draft maybe 10 rounds.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 9:37:40 GMT -5
Too late to be changing the rules now... So far, the only "prospects" that have been picked are guys like Rickie Weeks, Felix Hernandez, and Prince Fielder who are almost certain to be on their team's 25-man roster.
We can possibly amend some rules, but I totally disagree about "not having rights to anyone". Part of the reason that people select their teams was based on their whole system (majors and minors).
*Not to mention that some people have already traded minor leaguers to each other.
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Post by fantasygeek on Mar 1, 2006 10:22:07 GMT -5
I agree.
I picked the Halos partly because of their great minor league prospects.
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Post by TheCanes05 on Mar 1, 2006 11:54:25 GMT -5
I agree also, My yankees have one of the :-/best farmers around, Excuse me for a moment 8-)Uhh what was I saying, Oh yea, I really think we should...zzzzzzzz
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 12:00:09 GMT -5
The overall concept of the Minor League draft is this, based upon past discussion with Haggstown...
1.) We protect a maximum of 14 minor leaguers from our franchise and head into our 6 round Minor League draft.
2.) Unprotected prospects from "owned" franchises (i.e., anyone not on the named 30-man Major League roster or 14-man protected list of minor leaguers) is available for drafting in the minor league portion.
3.) I think we are basically defining the word "prospects" to mean any players who have less than 200 At Bats or 50 Innings Pitched in the Majors.
4.) I have committed to Haggstown that I would create a list of top prospects from all Major League teams (including "owned" franchises). You may use this compiled list as a guide for your Minor League draft, but are certainly welcome to draft a prospect that is not on the list. I am compiling the list of prospects largely from Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, and perhaps Sporting News or some other source. In total, my list will include somewhere near 200 prospects that are draftable.
5.) You MAY draft players defined as "prospects" in the Major League portion of the draft, BUT that player must consume a spot on your 30-man Major League roster. If that player is not in the Yahoo database on the league site (e.g., OF prospect Felix Pie of the Cubs), you will be expected to continuously maintain an empty roster spot on the league site. Should you choose to fill that empty roster spot, you will lose rights to your non-database prospect.
6.) Because of item #5 above, most (if not all) of us will choose to not draft a prospect in the Major League draft unless he is expected to make it to the Majors during 2006. Once this player is called up in "real life", Yahoo will generally add them to the database within a few days.
7.) As I compile the list of Minor League prospects, I will make notes where prospects are already owned on a Major League roster. This will include notes on players traded to other organizations (e.g., Howie Kendrick), players protected by their organization (e.g., Lastings Milledge), and notes on the few players from the list that may have been drafted in the Major League portion of the draft.
8.) Following the draft, you are responsible for naming your final 20-man Minor League roster
9.) Since these 20 prospects establish your minor league pipeline, you are encouraged to track all minor league prospects during the course of a season. It is entirely possible that an intriguing player from Single-A or Double-A may have gone both "unprotected" and "undrafted" by our league. You may commit to adding such players (tracked exclusively on this discussion forum; adds are on a first come/first serve basis) at any time, but it will require that you also drop someone from your previously current 20-man Minor League roster. If another team wants to add your dropped player, it is also on a first come / first serve basis.
10.) We will need to figure out what to do about ongoing "real life" prospect drafts. One solution is that we wouldn't have to protect those guys until the following season. Most draftees end up playing in "short season" Rookie league or "Single-A" ball somewhere. It will be a hassle to monitor who was drafted in what year, when looking to revamp your Minor League roster. An alternative solution is that we wouldn't have to protect them until they hit at least Double-A ball. I don't know what the good solution is for this one...
11.) For subsequent seasons, I think Haggstown mentioned something to the effect that we would continue to protect only a portion of our 20-man Minor League roster (perhaps 14 again?). Then, every year we would do both a Major and Minor league draft to fill out our 30 & 20-man rosters at both levels.
Haggs, does this sound about right? I expounded a bit on our previous conversations, but this all seems pretty fair and logical.
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Post by TheCanes05 on Mar 1, 2006 12:09:09 GMT -5
Was this thought up before or after you obtained the number one pick?
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 12:12:03 GMT -5
What are you talking about? What would that have to do with anything...
And, no it wasn't... Listen, if some of you people don't want help explaining things then I'll just let it lie... Sorry for trying to help.
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Post by TheCanes05 on Mar 1, 2006 12:18:04 GMT -5
Sorry, Once again my act of joking has gone astray. I'm just looking to have a Great and Fun season and wish everyone Good luck. You guys are doing a Great job getting this thing up and running and I'm just trying to let you guys vent abit.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 12:25:00 GMT -5
Always tough to tell if someone is joking just by their written word...
My bad.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 12:30:07 GMT -5
Since this is Year 1 of this thing, Haggs is just trying to make the league creative and fun while also giving as many of the rules up front as possible. Since I'm online more than Haggs, I try to head off any "problems" or "questions" at the pass...
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Post by fantasygeek on Mar 1, 2006 12:40:00 GMT -5
Since I'm online more than Haggs, I try to head off any "problems" or "questions" at the pass... OK, I have a few questions.... What country did the polka originate? Why isn't Iceland playing in the WBC? Where do baby penguins come from?
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 1, 2006 12:43:14 GMT -5
My Answers:
1.) Mars?
2.) They got knocked out in the qualifying games by Greenland... HUGE rivalry.
3.) Mama penguins
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 1, 2006 12:44:31 GMT -5
After thinking about it and reviewing the minor league draft, many problems and questions do arise out of this.
1.) Say we keep a total of 14 players from our own entire minor league system. 14 guys isn't really that much when you have systems like the Marlins, Indians, Twins, Angels, Dodgers, etc who have a nice load of talent - which is why some people chose those teams in the first place.
2.) Say we keep 14 minor leaguers, but only from the double A level and triple A levels. The problem with this is, is that having your 14 keepers selected from those opening day 25 man rosters could also be a problem - considering the Indians for example: Just from the top of my head in Akron and Buffalo I can name 22 guys: Denham Sowers Francisco Garko Miller Cruceta Snyder Carmona Gutierrez Crowe Head Aubrey Pesco Ochoa Dittler Martin Mulhern Guthrie Tadano Davis Brown Bay
So keeping 14 might not be the answer. fantasygeek brings up a valid point. It's almost not fair to those teams who selected teams with a deep minor league system to say we are doing a minor league once teams have been selected and keeping having to protect only 14 guys.
We could still do a minor league draft, but do it as to where each team keeps all their own minor leaguers and have a draft from the other 18 teams only. We could still do a 6 round draft from the other 18 teams and have our minor league guys plus 6 from the other teams.
Then each year we could do a 1 round minor league draft - doing a reverse order of how the teams finished.
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Post by TheCanes05 on Mar 1, 2006 12:54:57 GMT -5
My two cents.... I think maybe we should just be able to keep control of our own minor league players (although mine are terrible) we have now. Then have the 5-10 round minor league draft every year of the 18 teams farm systems not selected. New players are drafted every year and some prospect shoot up the ladder after another year in the minors, So we would take care of our own Farm team and have a floating roster of 5-10 players that can vary every year. People that took teams with deep farm teams should not be punished.
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