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Post by tigerswood on Jan 4, 2012 17:28:38 GMT -5
If the league members vote on it? Yes...crystal clear. Why don't we conduct several other polls on shortening our bench, doing away with the 2 UT spots, going 5X5 instead of 6X6? Let's do it, we still have 5 days before our draft. Plenty of time.  |
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Post by fantasygeek on Jan 4, 2012 17:45:46 GMT -5
Those changes would effect our keepers, so no.
You know, you could always start your own league that drafts nothing but high school & college players.
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Post by winker on Jan 4, 2012 18:14:47 GMT -5
I'm with fantasygeek right here. This makes clear who can be drafted and who can't. In 5 years there was never any question, until last year, and not there is no question. Seems like the VAST majority have seen the need for a clarification, and now we have it. As far as more polls, I don't expect a slew of them, since we have only needed one clarification (Not really a change) in five years.
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Post by tigerswood on Jan 4, 2012 19:45:30 GMT -5
I'm with fantasygeek right here. Honestly, I can't remember the last time when you weren't. Big surprise. ;D |
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Post by tigerswood on Jan 4, 2012 19:49:20 GMT -5
Those changes would effect our keepers, so no. The changes you have instituted will affect my ability to canvas potential keepers. But, that's not the point, really. It's about how rules are introduced. Seems like it just takes someone to post a question and all of a sudden, it becomes a rule change idea a few days before a draft. I have kept the discussion civil throughout. That's a low blow and totally uncalled for. You may be a league commish, but that doesn't entitle you to make condescending remarks.  |
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Jan 4, 2012 21:47:20 GMT -5
Jeez. This seems like such a benign issue to get all hot & bothered over. It seems like common sense that a Fantasy Baseball league surrounding PROFESSIONAL baseball should be limited to actual professional baseball players (i.e., not college or high school with "amateur eligibility"). Even with the international players, these guys are already professionals in the country they are coming over for.
How this could possibly impact someone's draft strategy is beyond me.
TW, you go after Bundy for being condescending but ultimately did the same thing to Winker.
Can we just move on with something that we all find some shred of enjoyment in before it becomes something we don't enjoy?
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Post by tigerswood on Jan 4, 2012 22:50:11 GMT -5
Jeez. This seems like such a benign issue to get all hot & bothered over. It seems like common sense that a Fantasy Baseball league surrounding PROFESSIONAL baseball should be limited to actual professional baseball players (i.e., not college or high school with "amateur eligibility"). Even with the international players, these guys are already professionals in the country they are coming over for. How this could possibly impact someone's draft strategy is beyond me. TW, you go after Bundy for being condescending but ultimately did the same thing to Winker. Can we just move on with something that we all find some shred of enjoyment in before it becomes something we don't enjoy? I'm afraid you're missing the point. It's not about the rule change -- but its timing. In all leagues I have ever played, no rules are ever instituted 5 days before the holding of a draft. Secondly, if you see my first few posts on this (before Bundy got his panties in a bunch), I specifically stated that I would abide by any decision taken. Unfortunately, Bundy decided it wasn't enough for him to encourage the holding of a poll to institute a new rule for the current season, he felt entitled to posture. I'm entitled to my opinion, just like you are. I stated it in a polite manner. Third, there was a smiley next to my answer to Winker. If Winker has a problem with my comment, he can take it up with me. I doubt he needs another mod to chaperone for him. Don't worry, you won't get better trade offers from him just because you stood up for him here. ;D Ultimately, and I am restating the point yet again since it is being confused with the degree of the rule change rather than its timing -- rules in most fantasy leagues, are always phased in toward a future season, not implemented a few days before the holding of a draft. Secondly, we have already held a poll on this issue at the beginning of last season, with a view to deciding what we should do this year. The motion to proceed with the current rule, did NOT pass. Poll was held on Scoreboards.So what you're saying is, why don't we keep holding polls until you get the result you want? Last year's poll has already decided the issue for this year. Would it not make sense to hold a new poll to decide the issue for 2013? This is what I mean by introducing new rules ahead of time, so that everyone has the opportunity to put them in proper perspective. With all due respect to the new owners, none of them have had the opportunity to directly experience the particular dynamics of our draft and how prospects should be valued in the context of using bench room as opposed to a reserve system. Yet, they are being asked to vote on a rule change a few days before a draft. I believe it is the commish's responsibility to foster a climate of constancy, in such a manner that any changes are introduced gradually. The league has functioned under the same rules since its inception. As much as I respect Bundy as a commish, I believe he should have exercised greater restraint in the way the current rule change was handled. Someone said "jump" and he answered "how high". Like I said, this is not about Bundy, but about the way most leagues are run. Rule changes are just not appropriate 5 days before a draft. Again, I will abide by the new rule. Maybe Bundy could have just focused on that part of my post and left it at that and we could have moved on. But no, better to put down anyone who has a different opinion than he does.  |
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Jan 5, 2012 0:31:36 GMT -5
I'm not missing the point at all. This isn't a rule change, merely a clarification of who is eligible. 90+% of the owners in the league have operated under the assumption that AMATEUR college & high schoolers were not eligible. Like all things in society, accepted norms remain unwritten until the boundaries are tested.
The timing/context of this poll is completely immaterial to the content of what was decided. It's not like we have suddenly voted that we want Intentional Walks instead of HRs. There is nothing here that impacted our keepers and I highly doubt anything would have impacted our first several rounds of drafting (if at all).
Continuing to question Bundy's integrity in this situation is merely making it worse. Making light of your affronts with smiley faces does not make them any less demeaning. I did not say "jump", Bundy did not say "how high". I sought clarification, he put it to a vote, and the landslide said it all.
I'll lock the thread so we can move on with our lives... Please handle with Bundy via PM if you have further concerns.
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