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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 16, 2010 9:01:17 GMT -5
I have a request. Could we please move the draft up to Jan. or Feb. next year? Many of us are drafting in 3-5 leagues right now & it's very aggravating. There was little going on in Jan. & Feb. & it would've been a lot less confusing to space these league drafts out a bit. Not telling anyone what to do, but I have no desire to go thru this ever again. Yahoo opens during the week (Tue. or Wed.) after the Super Bowl. Can we plan to have Keepers declared before it opens so we can start the draft the following weekend. We can be finished before March this way. You mean you don't like crashing a few drafts in right before the season? That was sarcasm....... I would have started this early, as we sort of had in years past, but personal situatins dictated otherwise. Since we have soooo many rules and regs to go by, we can determine a prre-determined date each year for player protections, draft start time and etc.......setting it up as "the third monday in january keepers are due.....the fourth monday in january the draft starts.....etc." (this was an example by the way) Let me know your thougths.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 16, 2010 9:20:22 GMT -5
What about this, 10. In order to keep a level playing field, all International players signed as Free Agents before the start of the draft are eligible for the major league draft. All eligible un-drafted International signed FA are awarded by default to their franchise minor leagues and may stay until they attain 7b limits of 150 At-Bats or 50 Innings Pitched.
International signings after the draft begins may be added through the waiver process at the conclusion of the draft. If player(s) is not in Yahoo database then a open roster spot must be held for player(s). Unclaimed players default to their franchise after the season.If believe this is similar to the process of added prospects during the Minor League draft . As for players like Adeiny Hechevarria, who signed after the start of the draft. It's either make them not eligible until next year or the waiver process as stated above. Fine. Does anyone here realize that we have more rules then most religions have commandments. Geez I thought fantasy league is suppose to be fun! Hopefully, this will be the last of the rules and regs update. Trust me if there's anyone that is ready for these rules updates to end - it is me! This 'Rule 10' thing, was more of an unwritten rule that we all just abided by. Basically it has been where guys like Matsuzaka and Ichiro were available to be drafted and guy slike Victor Martinez go to the clubs they signed with....as teens. I think the unwritten distinction between those types of players has been the type of contract and Major League readiness of these players, I saw one reference to Todd Van Poppel (nice by the way). The difference between he and Aroldis Chapman is that Poppel got drafted....teams had the opportunity to draft him. Chapman really is not available to everyone. I guess if you are willing to shell out the money then sure you can be in the game. Yes this rule was intended to keep a level playing field....as it should be. But I guess we need some sort of distinction between those Chapmans and V-Mart's of the world. That can be pretty hard to do. I kind of do like the WVTF wrote - but maybe tweaking it a bit. -If an international player is signed (no matter the contract type) before our draft starts, then he is eligible to be drafted. Once drafted you must keep a roster spot "always" open for him on your major league roster. Even if he toils in the minor leagues for 3-4 years, you must keep him on your major league roster. ----- see the problem i see happening is now guys will draft international 17 year olds and just stash them away on the bench for countless years----- -But if the international player doesn't sign before our draft, but either during or after the draft, then he is eligible to be drafted in the following year's major league draft. -If the international player goes through one draft undrafted, he goes to the team (whatever team that is) that he has signed with. -Once this happens, he does become eligible to be drafted in the following minor league draft after he went undrafted in the major leauge draft (that's if he is in an un-owned csc franchise)Let me know your guys' thoughts.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 16, 2010 9:21:28 GMT -5
And if the guy Mully wants to add - if his contract is now finalized yet, then he can't add him to the roster.
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Post by winker on Mar 17, 2010 11:28:58 GMT -5
Question: If a guy like Clay Zavada, who may or may not stick in the majors to start the season, is sent down by the Diamondbacks, can I send him downto my reserve roster?
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 17, 2010 11:52:49 GMT -5
Question: If a guy like Clay Zavada, who may or may not stick in the majors to start the season, is sent down by the Diamondbacks, can I send him downto my reserve roster? If you drafted him in the major league draft - no. Otherwise if your franchise team owned his rights, then you go by the rules in Rule 7.
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Post by TribeFanInAZ on Mar 17, 2010 11:55:50 GMT -5
My interpretation is no... for 2 reasons:
1.) We've always said that a guy drafted in the Majors Draft must stay on your roster. This is what has discouraged the "stashing" of minor leaguers for years at a time.
2.) Zavada has exceeded 50 IP. The intent of the new ABs / Innings rule is to simplify things, so that ANYBODY who has exceeded these thresholds becomes a free agent if not on your majors roster within 2 weeks of exceeding the thresholds.
Others agree?
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Post by georgiaphilliefan on Mar 17, 2010 12:47:08 GMT -5
Okay, this has nothing to do with rules, but I just want to say.... I'm excited about the year Hamels is going to have if he stays healthy. He's added a cutter and he's throwing his curve with confidence this year, something he lacked last year.....And I can't wait until Brown comes up! I'll miss Werth when the Phils let him go, but man, Brown looks good! Just thought I'd throw that out there for all you Indians fans. Would love to see the Phillies beat the Indians in the Series!
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Post by zemtech on Mar 17, 2010 13:01:35 GMT -5
My interpretation is no... for 2 reasons: 1.) We've always said that a guy drafted in the Majors Draft must stay on your roster. This is what has discouraged the "stashing" of minor leaguers for years at a time. 2.) Zavada has exceeded 50 IP. The intent of the new ABs / Innings rule is to simplify things, so that ANYBODY who has exceeded these thresholds becomes a free agent if not on your majors roster within 2 weeks of exceeding the thresholds. Others agree? I agree I thought the same.
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Post by zemtech on Mar 17, 2010 14:23:10 GMT -5
Okay, this has nothing to do with rules, but I just want to say.... I'm excited about the year Hamels is going to have if he stays healthy. He's added a cutter and he's throwing his curve with confidence this year, something he lacked last year.....And I can't wait until Brown comes up! I'll miss Werth when the Phils let him go, but man, Brown looks good! Just thought I'd throw that out there for all you Indians fans. Would love to see the Phillies beat the Indians in the Series! No GPF it will be the Yankees the beat the Phils in the Series again!
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Post by wvtf on Mar 17, 2010 19:37:04 GMT -5
Yes this rule was intended to keep a level playing field....as it should be. But I guess we need some sort of distinction between those Chapmans and V-Mart's of the world. That can be pretty hard to do.
I kind of do like the WVTF wrote - but maybe tweaking it a bit. -If an international player is signed (no matter the contract type) before our draft starts, then he is eligible to be drafted. Once drafted you must keep a roster spot "always" open for him on your major league roster. Even if he toils in the minor leagues for 3-4 years, you must keep him on your major league roster. ----- see the problem i see happening is now guys will draft international 17 year olds and just stash them away on the bench for countless years----- -But if the international player doesn't sign before our draft, but either during or after the draft, then he is eligible to be drafted in the following year's major league draft. -If the international player goes through one draft undrafted, he goes to the team (whatever team that is) that he has signed with. -Once this happens, he does become eligible to be drafted in the following minor league draft after he went undrafted in the major leauge draft (that's if he is in an un-owned csc franchise)
Let me know your guys' thoughts.[/quote]
Well, since this league has separate drafts & rosters for the Major & Minor leagues. Maybe limit the major league draft to only active players (40 man rosters) in the yahoo database at the start of the draft. With the minor league draft, is there a need to include minor league players? All international players signed as FA, not active will be eligible for the minor league draft, just as the players drafted and signed in the MLB June amateur draft. Wouldn't this alleviate that concern or problem.? At the conculsion of the minor league draft undrafted international players will be awarded to their franchise.
Edited to clarify, Not Active players, not eligible for major league draft are denoted with a NA.
I think this will simplify the whole process all the way around.
This idea borrowed from Todd's Bay Bridge League.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 18, 2010 8:02:43 GMT -5
I guess my question then is.....where do you find up-to-date 40 man rosters when the draft begins? I can tell you that I have visited MLB.com and other sites and theirs is not always accurate.
If we are starting the draft in Jan and Feb - this opens up a new can of worms that may affect non-international players being drafted.....such as FAs that have yet signed with a team (just to use them as an example). I would like to avoide making a whole new set of rules....as I know what will happen - we'll end up editing those rules as we go along to clean up the process. If we have to do it - then ok. But I'd like to try to avoid more rule making.
I'll leave this option open for discussion though.
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Post by wvtf on Mar 18, 2010 10:59:12 GMT -5
This draft doesn't have to begin in Jan. Yahoo opens the Wed, after the super bowl. Have keepers declared no later then Feb. 1 load the keepers . Open the draft over the weekend. If someone is dragging their feet on keepers use Yahoo raking and move.
Utilize the Yahoo database and Commish tools to set "players added when team adds them'. This way the only list to worry about would be minor league protected list. And if I'm not mistaken you could add a DUMMY team with the protected players that happen to be listed. Then just delete it after the draft. In Bundy's leagues and Canes leagues there are no supplemental drafts, so anyone is available. But this league has a sparate draft and roster for minors. It's this uniqueness that makes it intersting and complcated at the same time. I think this would keep things Black & White.
Does this answer your questions?
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Post by georgiaphilliefan on Mar 18, 2010 18:33:48 GMT -5
I usually just avoid players that don't have many AB's or IP. I figure someone owns them somehow....Maybe that's why I haven't finished better than 10th.
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Post by wvtf on Mar 23, 2010 21:42:23 GMT -5
Although, it's not specified I believe rule 7, is referring to franchise prospects, minor league draft and those received by trades, only. Any prospect drafted in the major league draft or picked through waiver process is not eligible to be placed on the minor league protected list. I agree the- WHICH GOES FOR ALL PLAYERS, in 7c is misleading and should be removed. And maybe rule 7 modified to reflect implied meaning. I believe eventually as we continue to clarify the rules our assumptions will become less frequent things will become more black and white.
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Post by HaggsTown on Mar 24, 2010 12:03:48 GMT -5
This draft doesn't have to begin in Jan. Yahoo opens the Wed, after the super bowl. Have keepers declared no later then Feb. 1 load the keepers . Open the draft over the weekend. If someone is dragging their feet on keepers use Yahoo raking and move. Utilize the Yahoo database and Commish tools to set "players added when team adds them'. This way the only list to worry about would be minor league protected list. And if I'm not mistaken you could add a DUMMY team with the protected players that happen to be listed. Then just delete it after the draft. In Bundy's leagues and Canes leagues there are no supplemental drafts, so anyone is available. But this league has a sparate draft and roster for minors. It's this uniqueness that makes it intersting and complcated at the same time. I think this would keep things Black & White. Does this answer your questions? Let's narrow this down to what started this discussion - let's just formalize this that you can only draft the international players if they are loaded into yahoo (which means they have been added to the major league teams at that point - ala chapman, matsuzaka, etc.) This should help in alleviating how to determine if international guys are eligible - because if they are then eligible in yahoo, then they would have been added to the major league 40 man roster. If international guys who have signed prior to the minor league draft - are not listed in yahoo - then they become minor league draft eligible (if not owned/signed by one of the league's franchises).
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Post by wvtf on Mar 27, 2010 11:12:12 GMT -5
Rays and Angels have agreed to a Minor League trade. Rays receive Sean Rodriguez, Angels receive the Rays 3rd Rd. Minor League draft pick.
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